Comments on: The Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth http://www.golfthingsconsidered.net/gtc/2010/01/the-whole-truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth/ Golf Columns by John Rogers, Director of Instruction at Lakeview Golf Club in Harrisonburg, VA Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:46:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Hema http://www.golfthingsconsidered.net/gtc/2010/01/the-whole-truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-209 Hema Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:26:46 +0000 http://www.golfthingsconsidered.net/gtc/?p=610#comment-209 “Thou shalt not let thine elbow fly!” This quote is one of the best words in the article Thanks John “Thou shalt not let thine elbow fly!”
This quote is one of the best words in the article
Thanks John

]]> By: John Rogers http://www.golfthingsconsidered.net/gtc/2010/01/the-whole-truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-56 John Rogers Wed, 04 May 2011 15:27:11 +0000 http://www.golfthingsconsidered.net/gtc/?p=610#comment-56 Kevin, thanks for taking the time to read this article. I was not familiar with Dunigan (John Dunigan, Master Professional, PGA), but you are right that we have some similar preferences when it comes to the golf swing. As for the discussion of Hogan and planes, he might call Hogan a one-planer even though he sees a drop of the arms and club in the transition because Hogan's right elbow stayed in a fairly constant plane. Jim Hardy would generally see anyone who made such a dropping motion as either a two-planer, or a one-planer with a "bad" move. Some of this is just semantics, and all of it is potentially unnecessarily technical. I like most of what I read from Dunigan--but disagreed with one assertion that he made: that the hip rotation at the start of the downswing could not lower the hands and club (that a golfer must learn to drop them purposefully). If the arms and club are on a plane above a plane that is perpendicular to the spine, then the rotation will give momentum to the arms and club to drop by themselves, toward the plane that is perpendicular to the spine. A purely one-plane swing (if there is such a thing) would have no dropping in the transition, or it would not be one-plane. I look forward to working through this stuff with you this week, and hopefully we can get past some of the technical issues to develop a simple and repeatable move! Thanks again. John Kevin, thanks for taking the time to read this article.

I was not familiar with Dunigan (John Dunigan, Master Professional, PGA), but you are right that we have some similar preferences when it comes to the golf swing.

As for the discussion of Hogan and planes, he might call Hogan a one-planer even though he sees a drop of the arms and club in the transition because Hogan’s right elbow stayed in a fairly constant plane. Jim Hardy would generally see anyone who made such a dropping motion as either a two-planer, or a one-planer with a “bad” move. Some of this is just semantics, and all of it is potentially unnecessarily technical.

I like most of what I read from Dunigan–but disagreed with one assertion that he made: that the hip rotation at the start of the downswing could not lower the hands and club (that a golfer must learn to drop them purposefully). If the arms and club are on a plane above a plane that is perpendicular to the spine, then the rotation will give momentum to the arms and club to drop by themselves, toward the plane that is perpendicular to the spine. A purely one-plane swing (if there is such a thing) would have no dropping in the transition, or it would not be one-plane.

I look forward to working through this stuff with you this week, and hopefully we can get past some of the technical issues to develop a simple and repeatable move!

Thanks again.

John

]]> By: Kevin Sullivan http://www.golfthingsconsidered.net/gtc/2010/01/the-whole-truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-55 Kevin Sullivan Tue, 03 May 2011 20:20:50 +0000 http://www.golfthingsconsidered.net/gtc/?p=610#comment-55 Hey John, Timely that I read this after what I sent you yesterday. Dunnigan I think describes a two plane swing although he compares his swing (and shows it in pictures) to Ben Hogan (who you describe as a one planer) describing how strikingly similar they are. If one drops the arms and hands on the start of the downswing to the original plane that was established at address, is he at the top of the backswing where he starts that downward movement on a different (2nd) plane or simply above the orignal but still on the same plane? Seems to me that that is the case. I look forward to talking about it on Friday. Interesting stuff. I don't mind the bookwork and I find that the comparing and contrasting exercise is enlightening. Regards, Kevin Hey John,

Timely that I read this after what I sent you yesterday. Dunnigan I think describes a two plane swing although he compares his swing (and shows it in pictures) to Ben Hogan (who you describe as a one planer) describing how strikingly similar they are.

If one drops the arms and hands on the start of the downswing to the original plane that was established at address, is he at the top of the backswing where he starts that downward movement on a different (2nd) plane or simply above the orignal but still on the same plane? Seems to me that that is the case.

I look forward to talking about it on Friday. Interesting stuff. I don’t mind the bookwork and I find that the comparing and contrasting exercise is enlightening.

Regards,

Kevin

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